Got into a religious debate with an old friend a few nights ago. It’s been a long time since I talked to a christian who actually gave a reasonable debate about their faith. He wasn’t using circular arguments that made no sense, he wasn’t throwing irrelevant bible verses in my face, and he wasn’t threatening me with hell, a lake of fire, eternal damnation, or any of those charming ideas, and let me tell you, it was a nice change of pace. Neither of us were changing each other’s minds, and we both knew it, but it was still interesting to talk through everything and see what someone else is saying.
I tell you that so that I can bring up one of the things he mentioned in his statements that I honestly still can’t wrap my head around.
“Without God, there’s no morality. There’s no right and wrong. There’s no standard for human decency. We get to decide what’s right and wrong. That’s not the world we live in.”
I’ve heard this argument before, and I’m sure I’ll hear it again, but I don’t think I’ll ever understand how someone can come to that conclusion. To justify this reasoning, you then have to look me in the eye and honestly tell me that you would not see any problem with murder, theft, rape, etc. if a book hadn’t told you that those things are wrong. Without this one book that, I might add, is not even remotely prevalent in many countries and cultures, the whole world would have erupted in chaos long ago.
I am well aware that there are plenty of bad people in the world, and there are good people who do bad things, and basically, there’s just a lot of bad shit out there, but there’s also plenty of good to counter that, and it’s not just coming from christians who follow the bible. Crossing all lines of religion and culture, there is love, beauty, kindness, generosity, the list could go on and on. If you insist on saying that without God and the bible, there would be no morality or right and wrong, I just have to ask you: Do you really have such little faith in your fellow men? Do you really have such little faith in yourself?
“In spite of everything, I still believe that people are really good at heart.”